Case Study: Sub-9 Ironman on low-volume, high-quality training with Carl Brümmer | EP#145

​Case Study: Sub-9 Ironman on low-volume, high-quality training with Carl Brümmer | EP#145

TTS145 - Sub-9 Ironman on low-volume, high-quality training with Carl Brümmer

Carl Brümmer is a 49-year old age-group triathlete from Sweden. On a training volume of 10 hours or less per week, he has managed several sub-9-hour Ironman results and has multiple Ironman age group victories to his name. 

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In this Episode you'll learn about:

  • Carl's approach to high-quality, low-volume training. 
  • His typical training week.
  • How to stay fast as you approach 50 years of age. 
  • Carl's top tips for other age-group triathletes. 
  • Time management tips.

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About Carl Brümmer

4:13 -

  • Carl has a number of sub-9 Ironman races to his name. 
  • He was first in his age group at Ironman Frankfurt in 2013.
  • That year he was also fourth at Kona, making him the second fastest Swede at that time.
  • Last year, on an average weekly training volume of ~8 hours a week (or less) he did his fastest ever Ironman time (8:52, Ironman Kalmar in Sweden).
  • Carl turns 50 this year and has a new goal: the Podium Tour 2018, and has raised his training to 10-12 hours to achieve this. 
    • He wants to finish on the podium in: Ironman South Africa, 70.3 Ironman Elsinore, the ITU Long Distance World Championships and the 70.3 Ironman World Championship in South Africa and the full distance Ironman World Championship in Kona. 
    • So far he finished first in Ironman South Africa, first in Ironman 70.3 Elsinore, and second in the ITU Long Distance World Champs. 

Carl's background

6:00 -

  • I've got a wife and two daughters. We have been married for 25 years next year. 
  • I work as a consultant and have my own business. I work with people, team development and organisational culture to help individuals and teams to perform better. 
  • I'm 50 in a couple of weeks.
  • I got into triathlon in the beginning of the 80's. 
  • I grew up in a little fishing village in Southern Sweden - it has a little harbour and 50 houses. 
  • One of the dads had heard of Ironman Hawaii, and he came up with the idea that we should make our own triathlon in the village - a micro Ironman. 
    • We got together and ran around the village, biked to the next village and back and then jumped in the harbour and swam around it.
    • This was in about 1983. 
    • The swim was around 200m, the run was 3-4km and the bike was around 8km.
  • I enjoyed it! We did it once every summer.
  • In the late 80's, a couple of other guys came with fancy bikes, and when I beat them they asked if I wanted to join them as they were starting a triathlon club.
  • I started more structured training then. 
  • My sports background is more boy scouts and wind surfing oriented before that.
  • I stayed with shorter triathlon distances during the 90's. I raced the Olympic distance primarily. 
  • In 1997 we became parents, so my last race in part 1 of my triathlon career was August 1997.
    • I did the Swedish championships at the Olympic distance and finished 6th in the elite category. 
    • The year before I was 6th in the Swedish Cup in the elite category.  
  • To be honest I don't know how much I was training at this time. 
    • We had pool sessions twice a week.
    • We'd go for a longer bike ride at the weekends and maybe run twice a week. 
  • My Olympic distance time was about 2 hours. 
  • I then quit triathlon - I decided I couldn't handle being a parent, having a career and trying to develop myself as a triathlete. 
  • I got back into triathlon when I turned 40 in 2008.
    • My wife gave me a slot for Ironman Kalmar because she knew I nurtured the dream of completing the Ironman distance. 
    • The slot was for 2009 so I got my bike out and started training again. 
  • When I put the bike on the trainer, I had become so stiff I couldn't reach the handlebars. 
    • I had to mount Cinelli pins on top of the ordinary handlebars to be able to hold onto something when I started riding again! 
  • After a couple of weeks I could reach the handlebars, and after about two months I could reach the aerobars. 
  • Then I got a slipped disc! 
  • I had retained a healthy lifestyle during my break, and my brother and I had done some trial runs together, but no structured training. 
    • We completed a famous cross country skiing race (Vasaloppet) as well. 
  • I didn't train for several months after quitting, but had stress from other sources such as work and fatherhood. 
  • Ironman Kalmar went well - I remember several times during the race I was asking myself 'why am I doing this, and how am I supposed to finish?'
    • I had never done a marathon before, let alone after biking 180km as a warm up. 
  • Afterwards I understood it was a good finish time for a first timer - 9:38. 
  • After finishing, instead of asking myself 'how can I finish it', I started asking myself 'how fast can I finish this'.
  • Then I started to raise my goals. 

Triathlon highlights 

15:32 -

  • In 2011 I set a goal that I wanted to finish sub-9 hours, and in the top-10 in Ironman Kalmar. 
  • I got very inspired by a guy the year before who was three years older than me. 
    • In 2010, he finished 2nd or 3rd in the Swedish championships. 
    • That was a mental breakthrough for me, seeing him enter the podium at that age.
    • From then on I've understood the age shouldn't be a limiter.
  • I managed to do sub-9 that year - 8:57. 
  • I went on to Frankfurt to do the European Championships in 2012 and came fourth, so I was able to qualify for Kona and raced there. 
  • In Frankfurt I saw the podium winners get a big Ironman 'M' trophy and said to myself I wanted one of these.
  • Then at Kona I saw the top five got an umeke, and I decided I wanted to try and get one of those as well. 
  • In 2013, the year I was turning 45, I had a mantra that said 'fit for fight at 45'.
    • I won my age group in Frankfurt, raced Kona and finished 4th.
    • So I got my umeke and I was very happy with that. 
  • After that I didn't do an Ironman for a couple of years. 
  • I did Roth in 2016 and then went back to Kalmar in 2017. 
  • My best Ironman time was in August 2017 in Kalmar, 8:52. 
  • My first year in Kona I did 9:33:09, and then I set out to improve and the year after I did 9:13:09. 
    • This made me the second fastest Swedish athlete ever in Kona at the time. 

2018 triathlon target

18:41 - 

  • Since I'm turning 50, I was looking for something inspiring to aim for. 
  • I came up with the 'Podium Tour' as I call it. 
  • I don't want to focus on one race because things can go wrong, so this year I came up with 5 championships I wanted to race:
    • Ironman South Africa in April.
    • The European Championships in Elsinore.
    • ITU Long Distance World Championships.
    • Ironman 70.3 Word Championships in South Africa
    • Kona 2018. 
  • The results so far have been really good. 
    • I managed to win my age group in South Africa with a good margin, and broke the course record for my age group. 
    • I won my age group in Elsinore.
    • At the ITU Long Distance Champs I had a bad day but a good performance - I was very happy and finished 2nd. 
      • I'm satisfied that I pushed through because I didn't feel strong that day. 

Carl's training approach

20:48 - 

  • I've never been a big volume guy when it comes to training. 
    • I believe more in being consistent and having a clear purpose for every session.
  • When I did Roth in 2016, I averaged between 6-8 hours a week of training and I did 9:16. 
  • Last year when I did a new PB in Kalmar, I trained between 8-10 hours a week.
  • This year I've got a coach for the first time, to try and challenge my way of training and get some new inspiration.
    • We have decided to raise the volume a little so now I average 10-12 hours usually. 

Typical training week

22:01  - 

  • The baseline is if I could do each discipline 3 times a week, that's good. 
  • I need strength training 2-3 times a week.
  • When life gets in the way, I have to adjust. 
    • I'm careful not to always select the same sessions to miss each week (e.g. if I miss a swim session one week I'll try and miss a different session the next week if needed).
  • What we have added is long slow distance training.
    • Zone 2 trail runs or bike rides. 
  • I have increased my swimming too. 
    • A long swim session for me up to November last year was 2.5-3km. 
    • I usually wanted to have one 4km swim before an Ironman to prove to myself I am capable of it. 
  • Now I have much longer sessions - this week I have 3 swim sessions that are longer than 3km.
  • Since I'm not young, the biggest success factor has been adding strength training. 
    • I do basic squats, deadlifts, leg press and core.
    • I do 4-6 reps and heavy weight. 
    • In the winter I could really see how my strength built up, which makes me a better runner and biker. 
  • For swimming I have a coach who has been an Olympic swimmer for Sweden and is a SwimSmooth coach. 
    • She helped me develop into a swimmer for triathlon, not just a swimmer.
    • We do the Red Mist session, and she haunts us with our homework of doing the sessions on our own. 
    • This has built up my ability. 
    • I'm not getting faster but I can sustain the same speed.
  • When I swam in South Africa in April I swam 54 or 55 minutes. 
    • I've done this before but the big difference was that I knew this was going to be fairly easy. 
    • I knew I would feel fresh when I got out of the water. 
  • My swim sessions are usually technique, drills and hard Red Mist endurance sessions. 
    • This is the key for me, and I think it translates for many age groupers. 
  • On the bike it's strength sessions during winter, and easy long sessions.
  • I will never be a power biker, but to be able to sustain a solid effort during a race is my goal. 
    • The long, easy sessions would be 2-3 hours.
  • As a race approaches, we add on race pace turbo sessions onto the long sessions. 
    • For example, 1-2 hours easy, then 4x20 minutes race pace.
  • My weekend bike sessions would be better 2-4 hours.
  • During the week it would be 20 minutes up to 90 minutes.
  • For strength sessions on the bike I work with lower cadence.
    • I could go down to 40-60 rpm on a steady effort, just to push and hold the power. 
    • It's specific strength training on the bike.
    • Where I live I do it on the trainer because there are no sustained hills. 
    • It also helps me match the climate of a race. 
    • I also find it mentally good training.
  • I get back to my podium tour mantra mentally when I'm on the trainer. 
    • I make sure I know why I'm doing the session in the long term. 
    • I also think about the why in the short term - the purpose of this particular training session. 
  • You can tolerate sitting indoors on the trainer for hours when you know the reason you're doing it. 
    • I want to race in South Africa and have a good performance so I better sit here. 
  • It sounds simple but it helps me a lot. 
  • For the run each week I have at least one longer session. 
    • I try as often as possible to do this on trails. 
    • I have achilles problems so doing trails helps me avoid this returning. 
    • My long run would be up to 2 hours.
  • One session would be intervals, or shorter with a bit of speed.
    • In winter I would do VO2max: e.g. 30 second intervals at 3:00-pace, or some at 2:50 pace. 
    • As the race season approaches the intensity would go down and the time would be prolonged - 3-5 minute intervals. 
    • These would be more threshold and sub-threshold - closer to race pace.
  • One session is usually a brick session. 
    • I would do 20 minutes threshold biking, and then 10 minutes threshold running. I'd take a short break and do this 2-3 times. 
    • I would usually do this inside. 
  • I try to join my coach Oscar at his indoor bike session once a week because I do 90% of my training alone. 

Why does low volume work for Carl? 

33:46 - 

  • Partly I guess it's genetic. 
  • I'm amazed others can perform with very high training volumes.
    • It's hard to fit in 10-12 hours of training, and also fit in more recovery than I used to. 
  • If I have a 10-12 hour training week I need my power naps almost daily. 
    • I need snacks between meals and an ordinary lunch takes longer because I have to eat more. 
  • Some athletes train almost as a pro but they're not able to recover as a pro or have a nutrition scheme as a pro and then the balance is lost. 
    • If the balance is lost, you won't perform. 
  • When I say let's increase my training volume I simultaneously tell myself I'll need to increase my recovery volume and my nutrition.
    • Keeping track of that balance is crucial. 
  • I've seen quite a few athletes who copy the schemes for pro athletes but they're swimming in the morning at 5:30 am.
    • Then when the pro athlete goes home to have breakfast and rest, they're going to work. 
    • They'll have the stress from the workload all over the day, and then go home and have a second session. 
    • I simply think, at least some bodies, just don't cope with that. 
  • We know that if I train more, I will have increased fitness but I don't know when I pass the optimal level. 
    • If I train 40 hours a week, I'd get injured. 
  • I'd rather be a couple of hours this side of that optimum, not a couple of hours over.

Adaptations for age

37:35 - 

  • The recovery time is so much longer.
  • When I was in my 20's I could do a hard run or bike session, and do another great session the next day. 
    • Now I have to be more aware of how I can cope with sessions on my schedule. 
  • I frequently miss sessions when I can feel I won't be able to perform as the session is meant to be. 
    • I'd rather skip it and have a better session next time.
  • With my schedule there are only a few hard workouts with easy sessions in between. 
  • As an athlete, I take the schedule from my coach and adapt it to my situation.
    • I will adjust it if needed. 

General tips for age groupers

39:34 - 

  • Keep it simple.
    • My schedule now is more advanced but that's because I've asked Oscar to do it who is an educated coach. 
    • When I was self-coached I kept it very simple.
      • E.g. 10x100m swim sessions starting at 1:30 or 1:40 was a great session. I'd do this 3 out of 4 sessions previously. 
  • As an athlete, the marginal gains you get from very in depth scientific knowledge is lost if you can't transfer it into your training.
  • Consistency is key, and by keeping it simple it's easier to be consistent. 
  • Find the balance between training, recovery and nutrition. 
    • Ask yourself 'am I aware of the balance?' 
    • You need to increase or decrease all three parts. 

Common mistakes age groupers make

43:49 - 

  • Making things too complex. 
  • There are some that think they have decided on their goal/objective, but they haven't made a true decision so they aren't prepared to make the choices that are needed to reach their goal.
    • They may have very inspiring and ambitious plans but they haven't thought it through in terms of time or effort. 
    • Then they get disappointed and lag behind. 
  • It's better to have a plan over 8-10 hours a week and be able to pull it through, than to have 12-15 hours a week and always being behind.
    • This creates a mental stress.
    • I'd rather be on top or a little ahead of my training schedule. 
    • The amount of training is likely to be the same in both cases but the mental side will be very different. 
  • If you have too many sessions planned you can't always know which will be missed, and the key sessions may then get missed. 
    • If you have a slightly lower volume you can be sure you'll make the key training sessions. 
  • It would be great if I could inspire some of these athletes - I did 8:52 last year with a training volume of between 8-10 hours.
    • It's anecdotal but it proves that it is possible. 
  • Look for your way of training, it doesn't always have to be 15 hour training weeks. 
    • I'm impressed because I don't know how people cope with this volume, at this age, with work and family on top. 
  • You will improve if you're consistent over a long time period.

Time management tips

48:02 - 

  • Get a good indoor trainer (Wahoo Kickr or something similar) because it makes it so easy to get in a good bike session. 
    • You can do a great session even in 20 minutes. 
  • Be very clear, 'am I actually prepared or willing to choose to train to the level I have set?'
    • It means you have to choose not to do a lot of nice things (e.g. watch TV, spend more time with family). 
  • Managing time is about being aware of what you choose to do and be content with those choices. 

Rapid fire questions

56:04 - 

  • What is your favourite book, blog or resource related to triathlon?
  • What is a personal habit that has helped you achieve success?
    • Power naps and protein! 
  • What is a productivity or time management tip you could give?
    • Always have a swim, bike, run, weight lifting bag ready in your car. 

Key takeaways

  • Make the training count and make the most out of your time. 
    • This is even more important with low volume training, 
  • With age group athletes, don't let it deter you if you don't have more than 8-10 hours to train. 
    • As this interview shows, it's possible to do very well if you use this time right. 
  • Consistency over many years can really count. 
    • If you take a month or two off every year you are less likely to have progression like Carl. 
    • If you start putting in 8 hour weeks now and continue doing so consistently, you can do well. 
    • Endurance sports is a game of patience and you can keep improving over a long time. 
  • Age is not a reason to slow down! 
    • Carl achieved a personal best at age 48. 

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  • Eduardo Guilhon Araujo says:

    This is great stuff! I have been reading about triathlon minimalism and I really enjoyed this article!

    Fantastic results for a 10 hours trainning schedule!

    Thank you very much!

    Eduardo

  • Glenn says:

    Carl mentions that he tries to do 3 swim, 3 bike and 3 run sessions and 2 weights each week with some of the bikes being 2-4 hours. That comes to more than 10 hours per week surely?? Does he have a typical weekly session that he could share with us?

    • Hi Glenn,

      I’ve asked Carl if he has a moment to give an example. I agree that it would be good to get a summary of workouts and duration as an example.

      Cheers!

    • Hi Glenn, really sorry for late respons. I’ve been a bit self focused in order to handle everything in daily life and preparing for Kona. You’re right, If I manage to actually 3x s,b,r and do strength training, it usually adds up to more than 10 hours. In reality I never manage to, and don’t try to, do all this. Actually it’s more of a guide for prioritizing, so I don’t do more than 3 of each. During race season I tried to hit the gym 1/w. Some weeks I only swam once. etc. My plan for this year was to train 10-12 h/w on average and now when Kona is over I calculated an rough average of 10.9 h/week since Nov 2017. Peak was Aug with an average of 15 h/w.
      The weeks wary quite a lot depending on work situation and time of year, so it’s hard to present a typical week. But if you want to specify a part of the year I’d be happy to just copy from my training plan and share. I’ll also ask Mikael how to share a screen shot of my monthly training load from Nov 17 to Oct 18.

  • Aaron says:

    Can you guys add yourselves to castbox?

  • Daniel Fasanelli says:

    Great post!! Congrats for Kona 2018 race!!! Wanted to know who ranked first !!! I like the balance concept train/recover/eat very much…
    Daniel

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